Part 12: Open Discussion Directed by Frances Swyripa
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<span class="element-text">CIUS conference audio (Part 12 of 16)<br /><br />Outline of presentation:<br /><br />Change of chair because JPH wanted to continue writing up the discussion.<br />Need to do a survey of what’s already out there. (Ostap Skrypnyk)<br />Churches were torn down, closed, burned down. Catholic church wants to preserve heritage and identity. But it comes down to priorities. From the church’s point of view, the parish community is what is to be served. Sometimes in these small communities, fixing up the church takes up too much time and energy, limiting their faith time. The church is worried about the salvation of the community. The building should be for the community, not the other way around. Sometimes only 5 people at a service, sometimes only 1. The Church would like to have a foundation that would have a lot of money and preserve all the churches, but there is no such thing now. It is also important to preserve the heritage. The minutes of meetings and bills would provide valuable information (minute books and financial records). Clergy are an important source. They go out there, perform services, visit the cemeteries. Metropolitan Lawrence also has many photos and videos of his visits – parishioners give him copies. Now he is being given DVDs of services. Old liturgical services are important. Brazil has a similar experience, though much harder. Brazilians have different carols. Different variants of music. Comparative angles. (Metropolitan Lawrence)<br />Putting too much info on the web could raise security issues. (Oksana) We could restrict access. (Bohdan Hrynyshyn)<br />Need to collect contact information. Not easy at all. In some cases the only person who is in anyway responsible might be the German farmer next door who cuts the grass. Contacts are aging – he reads the obituaries to see if the guys who opened the churches haven’t passed away. (Jars Balan)<br />We tried to record everything in full complexity. It’s too much even for students. We have to work on two levels – a research/archival tier which needs a full database and a public level that has been processed by scholars. (Natalka Kononenko)<br />From Regina. Has a bit of a plan of his own and is looking to merge projects. His project coming from the (Ukrainian Orthodox) church out rather than from scholars. Already when he first began to be interested in these things, he saw ten-inch trees on cemeteries. He would like more technical help, advice about proper documentation. It would be good to be part of a larger, directed project. Not just students but retired professional people. Importance of volunteers. How do we coordinate? avoid duplication? There needs to be some kind of coordinating body laying out a plan of action. Needed: determining the tools, assisting in training. (Yaroslav Lozowchuk)<br />She remembers how the community was split over saving the Portage la Prairie church. Diocese should help with conflict resolution. The best contacts, in her experience, are old women. Excellent materials in Ukraine – archives of Sheptytsky. Archives of Sister Servants also in Ukraine. (Stella Hryniuk)<br />This is a project in lieu of preservation. But many conversations go back to physical preservation. Visual? or also archival? documentation? thorough? or documentation restricted to visual culture. (Frances Swyripa)<br />We need a committee with a representative from each area. Digital storage is a very difficult issue right now. Shortages of digital storage at the U of A. Not just buying, but upkeep, back up. (Natalka Kononenko)<br />We should restrict ourselves to digital, not materials. We can go beyond the university for cheap storage. (Bohdan Hrynyshyn)<br />Need to go through church boards. 6-7 of these generally run with one clergyman so you can have a meeting with reps and the clergyman. Have one team going in, or risk more distrust. (Sylvia Chinery)<br />Her experience – people demanded to be included in the project (historic buildings in 1970s project). (Frances Swyripa)<br />Every medium will have issues. You have to plan resources for update and maintenance of data. Otherwise you will lose things one way or another. Need to plan for that. (Lee Ramsdell)<br />4:00-5:00: Technical Aspects, Part 2<br /></span>
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Part 9: Building on and Learning from What's Been Done (discussion)
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<p><span class="element-text">CIUS conference audio (Part 9 of 16)<br /><br />Outline of presentation:<br /><br />Directed by Frances Swyripa<br /><br /></span>Ed Ledohowski also knows an art photographer from Massachusetts who has been taking the churches. Looking for a repository for his work.<br />Faith vs. heritage. Funding – can we get the same today? Manageability, duplication. (Frances Swyripa)<br />Modeling a project the way we did made it possible to include volunteers. This is a project with time running out. People are dying, losing their memories. Maybe there’s a 10-year window to do this. (Stella Hryniuk)<br />The students had a guidebook on how to take the photographs, in what order. They had also black velvet for photographing objects. (Roman Yereniuk)<br />Set up a field school in connection with the Folklore Center to work on this project. They would get training in field methodology. (Natalka Kononenko)<br />Maybe this could be done in conjunction with History and Classics. (Frances Swyripa) Or HUCO or Library. (Natalka Kononenko)<br />Oral history at this stage is risky. Memories are jumbled. Parish archives are lost or sitting molding in someone’s basement. Chasing congregational records is not easy. There is little info on material history in church archives. Ukrainian newspapers are useful in this regard, esp. in early years – correspondences about churches. Artistic photography and paintings important, but also documentary archival photography. (Jars Balan)<br />Aerial photos – the Ukrainian Cultural Heritage Village has some, that are relevant to their own buildings. Provincial govt has internships through Athabasca U, U of Calgary. (Stefan Sokolowski)<br />Ukrainian Village has three churches. They have very detailed reports about them (materials, etc.). Bobersky photographs in Oseredok, Winnipeg. Thinks Ukrainian halls should also be included. Some cemeteries are not related to churches. Not only the prairies but Ontario. Film on Saskatchewan grave maker on YouTube. (Peter Melnycky)<br />We should restrict to religious objects. (Frances Swyripa)<br />Bobersky photos are bizarrely coded and hardly described. U of A did some itinerary of the collection, but it’s not a very usable collection. She is now visiting churches in Alberta and is impressed by some of the archival improvement introduced by Metropolitan Lawrence. The context is very important – the spirituality. There is a large Lipinsky collection looking for a home. (Gloria Romaniuk)<br />UCAMA has black-and-white photos taken by Mr. Jopyk in the 1970s, also paintings by Pani Iwanets (already digitally photographed). Are digital methods safe for preservation? (Michelle Tracey)<br />Since we will be working with young people, students, we have to be aware of distinctions between faith, theology, spirituality. The latter – the personal connection – will interest and motivate students the most today. This was not addressed in their project, although they did have people interested in the institutional church, theology, belief. All of these aspects have to be addressed. More than “religion.” Sometimes there are halls where churches used to be. Winnipeg Tribune photos and descriptions are in U of M archives – valuable stuff there. (Stella Hryniuk)<br />Lots in the consistory archives of the Orthodox church in Winnipeg. Perhaps a proper archive could result from this project. (Sandy Sawchuk) UCAMA is trying to build a safe environment and would be a proper archive in the future. (Michelle Tracey)<br />The Russo-Orthodox are warm, but they will be suspicious. Who is asking? What will it be used for? She herself is connected with this church. She knows that people are not aware of the value of what they have. The project would be a learning experience for people. She has church archives in her own home! (Sylvia Chinery)<br />How should we go about making contact with the rural communities? (Frances Swyripa)<br />Even if we just identify what has been done, it will be a great thing. We must also identify who can help us with this project. We also have to identify the sources of funds. Alberta govt promises money for cultural projects – get them while they’re being offered. (Peter Savaryn)<br />Perhaps compile a list of methodologies to develop a template. Cooperation between projects in Manitoba was important – this project should do the same. And avoid duplication. Don’t redo Ed’s project where Ed’s doing it. Devolution important to management. (Brian Cherwick)<br />Should we put everything on line? (Frances Swyripa)<br />The community will like digital resources, genealogy people, historical background of family. If it’s digitized, it’s available all over. (Anne-Marie Decore)<br />And more.<br />1:30-2:30: Technical Aspects, Part 1<br /><br /><span class="element-text"><a href="https://cius-archives.ca/items/show/2172">Outline found in this PDF</a></span></p>
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Part 8: Manitoba
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<span class="element-text">CIUS conference audio (Part 8 of 16)<br /><br />Outline of presentation:<br /><br /></span>Stella Hryniuk<br />prepared text exists<br />How the book they wrote, Monuments of Faith, developed. In the 1980s there was not only the problem of abandonment, but also vandalism, security, disrepair. For Stella, the destruction by fire of her grandfather’s church was a real wake-up call. The three authors received a large grant from Manitoba to do the book (roughly 10,000 CAD in 1987). The government was interested in funding a project, but not through a faith-based group. The authors hired students and worked on the project for three years. There was a training process. Students usually stayed through two summers. They were passionate. About 2/3 of them are still involved in Ukrainian and Ukrainian Canadian historical projects of some sort to this day. (The students are now already 20 years older.) They identified 140 Ukrainian churches and 20 other East European churches. In the end they did full documentation of 40 churches. Slides of exterior, interior, objects, cemeteries; inventory forms; oral histories; popular histories and brochures; architectural plans (floor plans, elevations). Also, on the side, maps of the areas. Identified all the Winnipeg churches, but most of their churches were rural. They had to rely on local assistance to put up students, etc. Regular reports, updates, communication with govt.<br />Roman Yereniuk<br />slide presentation (analog slides from 1989)<br />We got separate funds for students [like STEP]. They did a second phase in 1993. There are about 40 inches of filing. 5000 slides. They had a system of how to do slides. Over 200 slides per church. They called themselves the Manitoba East European Heritage Society so that they could include Russo-Orthodox, etc. They have assisted parishes with their own parish histories later on. There was a need to break the ice originally in the communities. Did a slide presentation to the parish first to show the kind of work they do. They actually saved a church, the Church of the Resurrection in Dauphin. They recorded plashchanytsi, church books [some have marginal inscriptions], embroideries, church basements.<br />The slides have been well preserved, using the technology then available.<br /><br /><span class="element-text"><a href="https://cius-archives.ca/items/show/2172">Outline found in this PDF</a></span>
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Part 6: Discussion
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<span class="element-text">CIUS conference audio (Part 6 of 16)<br /><br />Outline of presentation:<br /><br /></span>Interesting additional information on graveyards, crosses (much discussion of three-barred crosses). (Bohdan Hrynyshyn, Jars Balan, Andrij Hornjatkevyc, others) It is important to note that Ukrainians were next to other ethnic groups. We should consider graveyards where Ukrainians were in a minority. Ukrainians were also buried in largely Polish cemeteries. She cited some examples. We should look at these. (Stella Hryniuk) There are missing cemeteries. Saskatchewan Genealogical Society is trying to piece together all the cemeteries. Looking for volunteers to deal with ethnic cemeteries. (Ostap Skrypnyk) Plea to publicize more widely the kind of information presented at this session. (Oksana Ensslen) There are resources from the province for this kind of project. On p. 21 of Frances’ survey there are lists of churches according to three categories. Resources in all of these categories are eligible for preservation funding, and that includes funding for documentation. There are also ways to apply to get other churches put into these categories. Alberta Tourism etc. Good to partner with municipalities. (Matthew Francis) 10:30-11:30: Manitoba: A Case Study<br /><br /><span class="element-text"><a href="https://cius-archives.ca/items/show/2172">Outline found in this PDF</a></span>
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Basil Rotoff, Roman Yereniuk, and Stella Hryniuk. <em>Monuments to Faith: Ukrainian Churches in Manitoba</em>
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